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tommyguns wrote:Blizz will NOT figure this whole thing out for another 6 months, when most people are lvl 80. youannot redesign the playsystem, ilude all instant attks that deliver > autoswing dmg, irease survivability and longevity, then expt everything to work itself out. The same thing happened with T as well, as people so often forget is thease. Thehaes of Blizzard getting everything right on the first pass is astronomally low, so there’s no point throwing a fit when they have to go bk andhange things. Ret Pallies areurrently OP, but many fear they will be lkluster after uoming nerfs. Aane Mages’ burst damage is borderline OP as well, but terrible for PvE. Shaman areonsistently parsing pitiful DPS. Mana drains aren’t aling well at 80. There is a whole host of problems, these and many more, that Blizzard has to deal with and balae out.
We’ll have to see what happens when the tualhanges to therit talents goes live, but right now I’m still tearing it up in raids. If they’re true to their word and this doesn’t drop PvE dps, I’m still a happy pally. I’ve realized something looking at the WWS reports though. My damage is high bause my partation is high. ould it be that its not tually our damage ability that’s superior, but our talent that redes our threat buildup? Are mages having toonstantly hold bk where I do not? And honestly, I don’t mind taking a hit or two, where mages may be mh moreareful. Ian heal myself real quk, and i’m wearing plate.
We did a full ZAlear this weekend. I was sond in DPS doing about 1200-1300. Our BM hunter was justrushing doing about 1600 Oo. We are aasual guild we just do 10 mans but we have fun. I had no mana issues. That’s not to say that my mana was 100 peent the entire time. I had to drink afterertain fights but I was going all out with DS +onsrates. As far as PvP this weekend I would say we are already just fine. Some battles I was doing really well going 11-3 or so on KB’s but I was rarely the top. In ft pallies were not dominating the top spots at all it was very mixed. Other battles I was getting fus fired and just plain destroyed. When I first tried to bubble after AW that was a bt shking to see forbearee bk heh. I saw one very PvP S4 geared pally destroying worlds in an Eots. But s4 geared players of anylass tear up rubs in BG’s. There was a kittyat druid that dided he liked my blood in one mah and Iould almost never live past his opener if my bubble was down. He dropped me in the stereotypal 2-3 sonds. I imagine it was his gear and skill level that made the differee. The two top QQ’s in BGhat from the whiner brigade were still against pallies and aane mages. But most BG’s warlks, warriors, and hunters were very represented in damage and top KB’s. As long as these nerfs don’t make my pally useless in PvE I will be ok with them. The DoT effts should be interesting.

Paladins are a problem. The reason paladins are overpowered is bause thelass is designed bkwards from mostlasses. A paladin is based almost elusively on the 3 model (where it is one of the best heroes), and is designed to be iredibly efftive in a variety of pve roles. Mainly solo. Plate, heals, and melee damage make us very good at grinding and fighting mobs solo, better than mostlasses, but trying toonvert that to balaed group play, and pvp, is mh too diffult for blizzard to do. You just need to look at the vanilla paladin to see that. Only one talent tree was viable at endgame, but the other two were useful while leveling. Bubble is the problem. Take away bubble and paladin bomes balaed. Eept for grouping as holy, where bubblean save your group time and time again. However, blizzard doesn’t want to do that bause it is alass defining ability. And they keep trying to balae around it, and failing.
The Paladin hero in 3 was terrible. I played on the EU R and TFT ladders (68% win rate flex) and never saw a human army use the pally to any great efft. Seriously, it was Ahmagereep grinding, or you’d harass with a MK but the Paladin was the sondary support hero.
You’re probably right, I never played on battle.net in 3, just LAN and againstomputers. I used other res when it wasn’t on random. And it didn’t matter to minmax when you are already the best at the game among your friends. That tually supports my point even more. In vanilla, paladin was only useful for the heals, just like in 3. But the issue was that as aorelass, it is already profient at any role you put it to. By buffing a spif role (like dps) the rest of thelass that supports that role remains the same, giving the buff a multlying efft. Bubble is a baselass feature, but every single playerombines it with talent abilities to devastating efft. Heals are a defining feature, and make thelass able to adapt more, but with high dps, or high defense, that ability to adapt pushes it over the edge to overpowered. Paladin is balaed for pve (or soon will be). By the very abilities that define thelass, it will never be balaed for pvp. Theyan try all they want, ret pallies will either destroy or be destroyed. Holy pallies will always be durable healers, and prot pallies will… tank vann? It’s been said again and again, don’t balae for pvp, balae for pve. Or just give us a straight 10% damage nerf against other players (they are alreadyonsidered different from mobs).

Very insightful list. As an elemental Shaman, I’m glad to find out there are so many mailaster gear out there waiting to be looted. The ehant rommendation is a plus, but itan be better if you take into count gems… or did you leave it open for us toustomise? urrently, I have 400+ spell dmg with 17% spellrit (not iluding talents) with about 50+ mana5s (not iluding talents). Definitely not enough for long fights sh as Prie in Karazhan. Perhaps you will be tohing on mana5ss on your updates?
Spell Damage,rit, and Intellt is all more valuable than Mp5 to an Elemental shaman. The reality of life as a shaman is that you will beonsuming Mana pots every 2 mins. Sie Mp5 is the most oveosted stat in iLvL rankings it’s not wise to devote too many points to it. Thatoupled with the ft that you areontinuouslyasting makes rit a better way to rover mana (through your 60%ost return).
Very Impressive and useful. I’m thinking I might resp elemental for a while just to try it out so thisould be very useful in gathering up some gear before the resp. Iurrently only have my enhaement sp and healing set. Great work though and thanks for the time and effort.
You have thelone Feguard listed twe, oe where it should be and another in the Shoulder stion. Whhould be intentional. But I didn’t darelk the link for fear of being rk-rolled for the 34th time today. Looks good otherwise ~ good job.
Shameless bump for the pew pew shaman.
You have thelone Feguard listed under the shoulder stion.

Previously I ed a guide to Restoration Gear and this is the follow up for Elemental Gear. There are three stions under eh heading. (*)’s indate Raid level items. These items are not ranked nessarily in order. I figure at the point you are able to get these youan make your own disions on these items. (+)’s indaterafted, pvp, or oddities. These items are also not ranked. Use your judgement to figure out where they fit in your gear seltion. (#)’s are 5-man drops andor quest items. These are ranked by my preferee on Elemental gear. It’s a great tool for helping you judge and evaluate items, but as always I am not the end all be all of Shaman. Use your judgement as nessary. WEAPON [wowitem=28770]* Nathrezim Mindblade (Prie)[wowitem] [wowitem=30723]* Talon of the Tempest (Doomwalker)[wowitem] + Meiless Gladiator’s SpellbladeMe (from PTR) (3,623 arena points) [wowitem=23554]+ Eternium Runed Blade rafted)[wowitem] [wowitem=30832]1) Gavel of Unearthed Srets (Exalted with Lowerity)[wowitem] [wowitem=27868]2) Runesong Dagger (Shattered Halls-O’mrogg)[wowitem] [wowitem=27741]3) Bleeding Hollow Warhammer (Hero Slave Pens-Quagmirran)[wowitem] [wowitem=27937]4) Sky Breaker (Herorypts-Martyred)[wowitem] BEST EHANT: +40 spell damageSpell Surge SHIELDS [wowitem=29268]* Mazthoril Honor Shield (33 Badges of Juste)[wowitem] [wowitem=28611]* Dragonheart Flameshield (Nightbane)[wowitem] [wowitem=31287]+ Draenei Honor Guard Shield (World BoE)[wowitem] [wowitem=27910]1) Silvermoonrest Shield (Shadow Labs-Murmur)[wowitem] [wowitem=30984]2) Spellbreaker’s Bkler[wowitem] BEST EHANT: +12 Intellt HEAD [wowitem=30171]*atlysm Headpie (S-Lady Vashj)[wowitem] [wowitem=29035]*lone Feguard (Prie)[wowitem] [wowitem=28583]* Big Bad Wolf’s Head (Opera)[wowitem] [wowitem=28804]*ollar ofho’gall –loth (Gruul)[wowitem] [wowitem=32476]+ Gadgetstorm Goggles (Engineering — BoP)[wowitem] + Meiless Gladiator’s Mail Helm (from PTR) [wowitem=32086]+ Storm Master’s Helmet (50 Badges of Juste)[wowitem] [wowitem=31330]+ Lightningrown (World BOE)[wowitem] [wowitem=28696]+ Grand Marshal’s Mail Helm (18,900 honor and 30 AV marks)[wowitem] [wowitem=31107]1) Shamanist Helmet of Sond Sight (Quest-Gorefiend)[wowitem] [wowitem=28349]2) Tidefury Helm (Botana-Warp Splinter)[wowitem] [wowitem=27993]2a) Mask of Inner Fire (Blk Morasshrono Lord Deja)[wowitem] [wowitem=28758]4) Exoist’s Mail Helm (18 Spirit Shards)[wowitem] BEST EHANT: Glyph of Power (Sha’tar Revered) +22 spell damage, +14 spell hit SHOULDERS [wowitem=30173]*atlysm Shoulderpads (Tempest Keep — Void Reaver)[wowitem] [wowitem=29037]*lone Shoulderpads (Mulgar)[wowitem] + Meiless Gladiator’s Mail Spaulders (from PTR) [wowitem=28698]+ Grand Marshal’s Mail Spaulders (10,098 honor points and 20 AB marks)[wowitem] [wowitem=32078]1) Pauldrons of Wild Mag (Hero Slave Pens-Quagmirran)[wowitem] [wowitem=27802]2) Tidefury Shoulderguards (Shattered Halls–O’mrogg)[wowitem] [wowitem=27454]3) Voan Pauldrons (Hero Ramparts-Nazan)[wowitem] [wowitem=25947]4) Lightning-Rod Pauldrons (Mana Tombs-Tavarok)[wowitem] BEST EHANT: +15 spellrit and +12 spell damage HEST [wowitem=30169]*atlysmhestpie (Blk Temple-Kael’thas)[wowitem] [wowitem=29033]*lonehestguard (Magtheridon)[wowitem] [wowitem=29519]+ Netherstrike Breastplate (BoP — Dragonale Leatherworking)[wowitem] + Meiless Gladiator’s Mail Armor (from PTR) [wowitem=28694]+ Grand Marshal’s Mail Armor (16,524 honor and 30 AB marks)[wowitem] [wowitem=28231]1) Tidefuryhestpie (Aatraz-Harbinger Skyriss)[wowitem] [wowitem=28391]1a) Worldfirehestguard (Aatraz-Dalliah)[wowitem] BEST EHANT: +6 to all stats BK [wowitem=28797]* Bruteloak of the Ogre-Magi (Maulgar)[wowitem] [wowitem=30735]* Aient Spelloak of the Highborne (Kazzak)[wowitem] [wowitem=28766]* Ruby Drape of the Mystant (Prie)[wowitem] [wowitem=28570]* Shadowloak of Dalaran (Moroes)[wowitem] [wowitem=29369]+ Shawl of Shifting Probabilities (25 Badges of Juste)[wowitem] [wowitem=28269]1) Baba’sloak of Aanistry (Mhanar–Pathaleon)[wowitem] [wowitem=25777]2) Ogre Slayer’sover (Quest)[wowitem] [wowitem=

Imo, wowheadom?talent=IV…VooZxx0xM is a better build for affltion bih sp. If there’s a destro lk in your raid it’s extremely likely they have 22 healthstone, so this way your tankshealersan grab more than one HS and youan max out your utility. You’re not gonna top damage if you’re tossingoS, but you’re very helpful to your raid. Link to this Jun 6th 2008 8:59am Edited: Jun 6th 2008 9:27am : Logged Reply to this Moonkissedholar808 Dent
Other than rede physal damage… what does Shadow Embre do? I feel like it would be worthless to have a 1% redtion in Physal Damage. My feeling, and I am totally new to this so it’s but a feeling, is that if you are going to put any points into this you need to max it. ould someone explain why I am wrong?
voydangel wrote: Amplifyurse is pretty, but not really useful in most situations. (I find the only real use for it is aurse of doom onurator =P). Try it out after standing in the blue beam on netherspite…
Moonkissed – itounts as an Aff DoT for Drain Life, improving it’s efftiveness. This is what I thought was nerfed, but it hasn’t been. Amp.urse is great for anyoD I find. But espially Netherspite. )
This is the Affltion build I used to roll with. Still give some goog PvP viability with Feloentration and IHoT, yet has all you need to be an efftive raider too. Assuming you are Hitapped. If you are not, I’d move points out of Feloentration or IHoT to get as many points in Suppression as you need. wowheadom?talent=IV…kqtfoZxx0xM

Dent start. However, IMO (and I’mommenting both on the OP sp and some of the other suggested ones) : You only need 1 pt in Shadow Embre, its only really useful efft is to make drain life more efftive. You don’t need the 2 points spent in Imp Health Stone, they’re ne, but not really worth 2 talent points unless you have nowhere else to put the points when your making a demo sp. The point in shadowburn is only really for PvP andor solo questing. Amplifyurse is pretty, but not really useful in most situations. (I find the only real use for it is aurse of doom onurator =P). Next: only 1 lk in a given raid really needs maledtion. So, talk to the other lks in your guild (or the raid leaders) and find out if you really need those 3 points in there. If one or two other lks already have it, youan spend them elsewhere. As to where to spend those points you just freed up from Ampurse, maledtion, Imp HS, shadowburn, and Shadow Embre? I would highly rommend Suppression. Granted, it doesn’t help your SB spam when your not refreshing dots, but it greatly redes the need for extra hit, and getting dot resists (and fear resists) is lame. Id rather see a SB resist than a Deathoil, Fear or even aorruption. Here is a very solid raiding sp for someone with T4 equivalent gear. I have seen this get around 1000dps on Mag multle times with several different raidlassompositions. wowheadom?talent=IE…kVtboZxx0xM
Inoperante wrote: 3 in Maledtion or 5 in Feloentration – pure raiding won’t need Feloentration, and full Maledtion will be better. Eept…I’m not the one onoS duty. If your 33 Maledtion you should be onoS and the demodestro lk should be onoE oroR. Link to this ing fromanada Jun 5th 2008 3:21am : Logged Reply to this sperglegendsholar16 Good

So….you say that Imp- dark pt is better than a void? Explain. I mean, I never ran OOM when was aff with a void out. How would a shapeshifted pet help me, besides lowering the killing speed and making adds more dangerous than they would be with a void out? Give some arguments pls. Link to this Aug 11th 2008 4:08pm Edited: Aug 11th 2008 4:10pm : Logged Reply to this Lathaisholar1714 Dent
Well, if your drain tanking, and you send pet in, DoT the mob, throw a SB to get aggro then start draining life, you drain more than the moban hit you for and still end at full life. Dark Pt on the way to the next mob. Imp also hits harder than VW, so I fail to see how this slows down killing speed. Also, adds are not that dangerous, HoT and run away, lol. Sure, pet may die, but it’s just an imp, who doesn’t need a shard to re-summon. Pretty mh that simple. I am not saying that your way is wrong, just that it is idiot to say that it is the only way.
I didn’t say it is the only way, I only said it is the best. The only diferee I see between void and imp in -dark pt is this: With void, I use life tap, with imp I use dark pt. Imp deals more demage until it runs oom, void ireases myhaes of surviving a pk of adds. In the end, it really depends on personalhoe, but I tend to think that the void is overall better. Link to this Aug 11th 2008 7:08pm : Logged Reply to this TherionSaysWhatGuru1602 Eellent
I’m not getting in the middle of the above, but to the OP: You’re basally doing what’sommonlyalled Drain-Hunting: Sending in the blueberry and DOTing from a safe distae. It’s a solid soloing style andan be used all the way to 70 if you are veryareful and aware of threat levels and have some patiee (get a threat meter like Omen). I found it a very fast method when Ihain pulled. Just doing one at a time was slower than other methods in my experiee. But if Iouldontinually pull serveral mobs in a row, it was great. Later on youan cess the Felguard whh gives this play-style new life (and ups the kill speed). But, there will be a time before the Felguard where you will slow down due to aggro gains over your Voidy’s ability to hold mobs to him. I found that I had to wait more and more for the blueberry to gain enough aggro that my DOTs wouldn’t pull the mobs right away. At least for a while there. Many warlks give up on drain-hunting and swih over to drain-tanking; where you are basally pulling the mobs to you and using the pet for additional damage or for their spells. This style really starts when you have cess to Feloentration, Shon Life and better +Stam gear. This is where the Felhunter (for spell interrupts) or the Scubus (forC)ome in handy. The Voidwalker does prtally nothing for this play-style other than offer you an oh-sh*t button (the bubble), and I found that the Imp was ok for Blood Pt (extra stam) but didn’t do anything else. Pretty straight forward play-style, just SLCoACorr a target and start Drain Life until dead. Rinse, repeat. With some prte youanhain pull this way as well, but that’s better when you have serious +stam gear. For myself… Somewhere in the 40s I started playing around with drain-tanking and really liked it. I’ve tried many, many sps and right now (as SlSl) I find that Drain Tanking is very effient for grinding dailies. I primarily use the Felhunter for the spell interrupt and a little additional damage. Even when I’m raid sp’d (40417) it works a bit better (i.e. is faster) for me than drain-hunting. But if you’re going heavy Demonology at any point, Drain-Hunting is viable and pretty solid. Many warlks go this way to grind XP when they hit Outland. In the end, play-style is up to you and what you find most fun. I suggest trying all the different styles (hunting, tanking, nuking, even the strange tri-sp). After all, resps aren’t really that expensive. Good lk!

The voidwalker is the best soloing pet (besides Felguard). No need tohange him. Link to this Aug 11th 2008 11:30am Edited: Aug 11th 2008 11:32am : Logged Reply to this Lathaisholar1714 Good
For Drain Tanking, both provide more damage than Big Blue. With Drain Tanking the idea is to let the mob hit you and Drain Life more than theyan hit you for. Therefore, Big Blue is kinda useless sie his damage israp. I’d tually prefer the Imp to the ScubusFelhunter after you get to Dark Pt though. The other reason is they are somewhat useful in world PvP eounters. With the Felhunter, mages don’t stand ahae, and you tually have ahae to see that rogue sneaking up on you. With the Scubus youan Sede people, whhan be useful at times.
The best way to level (imo) is aombination of drain tanking and drain hunting: Send void while dotting the target and then don’t think about agro. The mob should stay on the void until the first drainsb ends. When the mob gets to you, drain-tank. This way your void will always be alive and you will level mh faster bause of MH LOWERooldown. Also, it is way safer. Maybe do some reseah beforealling others idiots. Link to this Aug 11th 2008 2:33pm Edited: Aug 11th 2008 2:39pm : Logged Reply to this Lathaisholar1714 Good
Well, maybe that style works for you, but as MANY MANY other lks will tell you, both here and at other warlk spif forums, Drain Tanking with Scy out Pre-Dark Pt and Imp Dark Pt is THE BEST way of levelling. Also, if your gonna tell others to reseah, maybe you should first. Ask any other experieed warlk what the best way to level is. Try asking over at the warlk spif forums The Warlk’s Den, or even in the thread a little ways down, how dodid you level your lk. See, I have done all that. You apparently haven’t. What it reallyomes down to in the end though, is playstyle. There is no one best soloing pet, as the pets are nearly as versatile as we are. Situationally, one may be better than another. The Felhunteran tually take a little damage fairly well, and using the mixed style you do, letting him take a few hits before you get aggro tually works very well, and puts out more damage and utility than a VW.